amsgc
07-04 12:43 PM
For my spouse, I've to take care of all the fees for I-485 / I-765 / I-131 / Biometric ( $325 + $180 + $170 + $ 70). For me, I've to take care only I-131 Fees ( $170). The Company Pays the fees only for my I-485 and I-765 and also take care of the Attorney Fees for both of us. They also reimburse the Medical Expenses, if the insurance does not cover the charges, only for Employee/ Primary applicant. For all dependents it is my responsibility.
I just want to point out that whether or not your company helps offset these costs is immaterial at this point. This is money that has gone down the drain. Depending on the Oct. Visa Bulletin, you, or your employer may have to incur the same expenses all over again. So in the end, you may end up spending more than twice the amount of money, and more in application fees.
My only beef is that if the USCIS was intentionally working hard to preempt the deluge in July, WHY DID IT NOT TALK TO THE DOS AND MAKE THIS INFO PUBLIC??? This is unethical and unacceptable conduct.
I just want to point out that whether or not your company helps offset these costs is immaterial at this point. This is money that has gone down the drain. Depending on the Oct. Visa Bulletin, you, or your employer may have to incur the same expenses all over again. So in the end, you may end up spending more than twice the amount of money, and more in application fees.
My only beef is that if the USCIS was intentionally working hard to preempt the deluge in July, WHY DID IT NOT TALK TO THE DOS AND MAKE THIS INFO PUBLIC??? This is unethical and unacceptable conduct.
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unseenguy
06-12 11:26 AM
Dude... he is talking about the second best engineering college in India that is located in Rajasthan.. aka - BITS Pilani (my guess).
Still , he only has bachelors degree. BE degree holders are dime a dozen these days. Even I am one of them. You need MBA, MS or PhD to survive or go up in career. Tell me why some MS degree holder with 3.7+ GPA is not more qualified than BITS guys? I have met and rolled over (performed better) than many BITS guys in my career. And I know many guys from my local place did not go to other states or outside for education because their parents would not let them go away for studies. So..... you can find smarter guys in local places as well.
This is the problem with a lot of guys. They go to some top Indian institution and they think they are all set in life, they are out of the box , extraordinary and people should come and reward them for that.
No my friend, life is a one day match... you hit couple of sixes , you are ahead in the game, lose couple of wickets , you are fighting for survival. Also see how he is talking down on India despite getting the best opportunity in his life there.....
Still , he only has bachelors degree. BE degree holders are dime a dozen these days. Even I am one of them. You need MBA, MS or PhD to survive or go up in career. Tell me why some MS degree holder with 3.7+ GPA is not more qualified than BITS guys? I have met and rolled over (performed better) than many BITS guys in my career. And I know many guys from my local place did not go to other states or outside for education because their parents would not let them go away for studies. So..... you can find smarter guys in local places as well.
This is the problem with a lot of guys. They go to some top Indian institution and they think they are all set in life, they are out of the box , extraordinary and people should come and reward them for that.
No my friend, life is a one day match... you hit couple of sixes , you are ahead in the game, lose couple of wickets , you are fighting for survival. Also see how he is talking down on India despite getting the best opportunity in his life there.....
sachug22
09-14 02:52 PM
I was among the very first to predict forward movement of EB2 (8 months back when most of the information available suggested no movement). Looking at September approvals i will see there will be very few cases pending from 2002-2004 for EB2 (those pending will be cleared in next few months since PD will stay current).
My estimate is that
EB2-India pending applications with PD older than Dec-2004 no more than 2000.
EB2 India had used 8000-10000 visa in 2009 (5000-7000 in Sept 2009 alone). It will not surprise me if this number is as high as 11-13K.
EB2-India all pending I-485 applications (till July 2007) is around 30000 (as of 1st Oct 2009) * see latter post on how.
Holding following assumptions we will see more forward movement in coming months and whole of 2010 fiscal year.
Slow improvement in economy (fewer new applications from EB2-ROW and EB1)
PERM applications stay stuck (as they are very few approvals in last 12 months)
CIS is force to allocate visa every quarter (leading to large spill-over)
Fewer EB3 to EB2 porting
CIS has prudently processed most old cases (pending for name-checks) and also pre-adjucated most cases filled in 2007-2008. So if they have visa numbers pending we should see big movment in Dec 2009 Visa Bulletin. This movement could cover all EB2-I 2005 cases in next two quarters (by March 2010). How explained below
EB2 gets 10K visa each quarter (28.6% of 140,000 divide by 4)
EB1 gets 10K visa each quarter (28.6% of 140,000 divide by 4)
Assuming 3k spillover from (EB1/EB4/EB5 to EB2) => EB2 will get 13K visa
EB2 ROW uses 7K (700 India, 700 China, +5k others) - there are 6K visa to allocated by Dec 2009 and 12K by March 2010 which will be given to EB2-India.
BEC LCA applicants in 2005 estimate (EB2 India) = 2000 => 4400
EB2-India PERM applicants in 2005 (thanks TempGC) -> 5311 LCA (Around 1300 got approved in aug/sept 2008)= 4000 LCA => 8800 GC
Total pending I-485 in 2005 (EB2 India) ~ 13000
This would mean PD will cross 2005 in next 2 quarters. I have pesimetic estimates so it will not surprise me it the dates move more rapidly.
The analysis is very optimistic and does not account for
Duplicates (multiple I-485 for same person)
Discarded Labor (many people just discard the perm since they switch jobs or did not want to do GC)
Upgrades (people had EB2 perm but got GC in EB1 category)
Cross-chargeability (with spouse of PERM hold birth from non retrogressed country)
Denied I-140/I-485 after PERM approval
If these makeup 10-20% applications then dates should move faster.
My estimate is that
EB2-India pending applications with PD older than Dec-2004 no more than 2000.
EB2 India had used 8000-10000 visa in 2009 (5000-7000 in Sept 2009 alone). It will not surprise me if this number is as high as 11-13K.
EB2-India all pending I-485 applications (till July 2007) is around 30000 (as of 1st Oct 2009) * see latter post on how.
Holding following assumptions we will see more forward movement in coming months and whole of 2010 fiscal year.
Slow improvement in economy (fewer new applications from EB2-ROW and EB1)
PERM applications stay stuck (as they are very few approvals in last 12 months)
CIS is force to allocate visa every quarter (leading to large spill-over)
Fewer EB3 to EB2 porting
CIS has prudently processed most old cases (pending for name-checks) and also pre-adjucated most cases filled in 2007-2008. So if they have visa numbers pending we should see big movment in Dec 2009 Visa Bulletin. This movement could cover all EB2-I 2005 cases in next two quarters (by March 2010). How explained below
EB2 gets 10K visa each quarter (28.6% of 140,000 divide by 4)
EB1 gets 10K visa each quarter (28.6% of 140,000 divide by 4)
Assuming 3k spillover from (EB1/EB4/EB5 to EB2) => EB2 will get 13K visa
EB2 ROW uses 7K (700 India, 700 China, +5k others) - there are 6K visa to allocated by Dec 2009 and 12K by March 2010 which will be given to EB2-India.
BEC LCA applicants in 2005 estimate (EB2 India) = 2000 => 4400
EB2-India PERM applicants in 2005 (thanks TempGC) -> 5311 LCA (Around 1300 got approved in aug/sept 2008)= 4000 LCA => 8800 GC
Total pending I-485 in 2005 (EB2 India) ~ 13000
This would mean PD will cross 2005 in next 2 quarters. I have pesimetic estimates so it will not surprise me it the dates move more rapidly.
The analysis is very optimistic and does not account for
Duplicates (multiple I-485 for same person)
Discarded Labor (many people just discard the perm since they switch jobs or did not want to do GC)
Upgrades (people had EB2 perm but got GC in EB1 category)
Cross-chargeability (with spouse of PERM hold birth from non retrogressed country)
Denied I-140/I-485 after PERM approval
If these makeup 10-20% applications then dates should move faster.
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07-02 10:54 PM
IV Press release
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
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chintu25
02-13 11:00 AM
The issue is that people speak big here - but run away when asked to come forward. How do we trust 35K members who have tons of excuses for not doing anything for themsleves and blaming IV and questioning IVs credibility?
Also another point in your response that said ...how do we trust .....
I ask do we have a choice ... to not trust.
Trust is a strong word.
IV is based on trust and common goals I think
All the members on this forum have atleast some TRUST and Faith in IV otherwise they wouldnt be here .....Maybe they are fearful of coming out in the open but like I said I am sure they will unite to take action under the IV umbrella
Also another point in your response that said ...how do we trust .....
I ask do we have a choice ... to not trust.
Trust is a strong word.
IV is based on trust and common goals I think
All the members on this forum have atleast some TRUST and Faith in IV otherwise they wouldnt be here .....Maybe they are fearful of coming out in the open but like I said I am sure they will unite to take action under the IV umbrella
samay
07-23 08:18 AM
Dear Attorney,
I was hoping you could help or answer this question.
My GC was approved last month after a very long wait time. Currently I am working for company B on EAD (not the GC filing employer). The question I had was can I continue to work for company B on a part time basis and join company A (GC filling employer).
Company A has a 9 month probation period I am worried if i quiet company B and company A fire me later then I will be with out job.
So I can work for company A (GC filing employer) full time and at the same time work part time with company B.
So this way if company A does fire me during probation period I continue with company B on full time basis.
Is this ok will it come to haunt me when I file for citizenship?
Thanks
Dev.
Go ahead.
I was hoping you could help or answer this question.
My GC was approved last month after a very long wait time. Currently I am working for company B on EAD (not the GC filing employer). The question I had was can I continue to work for company B on a part time basis and join company A (GC filling employer).
Company A has a 9 month probation period I am worried if i quiet company B and company A fire me later then I will be with out job.
So I can work for company A (GC filing employer) full time and at the same time work part time with company B.
So this way if company A does fire me during probation period I continue with company B on full time basis.
Is this ok will it come to haunt me when I file for citizenship?
Thanks
Dev.
Go ahead.
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sachug22
09-14 02:52 PM
I was among the very first to predict forward movement of EB2 (8 months back when most of the information available suggested no movement). Looking at September approvals i will see there will be very few cases pending from 2002-2004 for EB2 (those pending will be cleared in next few months since PD will stay current).
My estimate is that
EB2-India pending applications with PD older than Dec-2004 no more than 2000.
EB2 India had used 8000-10000 visa in 2009 (5000-7000 in Sept 2009 alone). It will not surprise me if this number is as high as 11-13K.
EB2-India all pending I-485 applications (till July 2007) is around 30000 (as of 1st Oct 2009) * see latter post on how.
Holding following assumptions we will see more forward movement in coming months and whole of 2010 fiscal year.
Slow improvement in economy (fewer new applications from EB2-ROW and EB1)
PERM applications stay stuck (as they are very few approvals in last 12 months)
CIS is force to allocate visa every quarter (leading to large spill-over)
Fewer EB3 to EB2 porting
CIS has prudently processed most old cases (pending for name-checks) and also pre-adjucated most cases filled in 2007-2008. So if they have visa numbers pending we should see big movment in Dec 2009 Visa Bulletin. This movement could cover all EB2-I 2005 cases in next two quarters (by March 2010). How explained below
EB2 gets 10K visa each quarter (28.6% of 140,000 divide by 4)
EB1 gets 10K visa each quarter (28.6% of 140,000 divide by 4)
Assuming 3k spillover from (EB1/EB4/EB5 to EB2) => EB2 will get 13K visa
EB2 ROW uses 7K (700 India, 700 China, +5k others) - there are 6K visa to allocated by Dec 2009 and 12K by March 2010 which will be given to EB2-India.
BEC LCA applicants in 2005 estimate (EB2 India) = 2000 => 4400
EB2-India PERM applicants in 2005 (thanks TempGC) -> 5311 LCA (Around 1300 got approved in aug/sept 2008)= 4000 LCA => 8800 GC
Total pending I-485 in 2005 (EB2 India) ~ 13000
This would mean PD will cross 2005 in next 2 quarters. I have pesimetic estimates so it will not surprise me it the dates move more rapidly.
The analysis is very optimistic and does not account for
Duplicates (multiple I-485 for same person)
Discarded Labor (many people just discard the perm since they switch jobs or did not want to do GC)
Upgrades (people had EB2 perm but got GC in EB1 category)
Cross-chargeability (with spouse of PERM hold birth from non retrogressed country)
Denied I-140/I-485 after PERM approval
If these makeup 10-20% applications then dates should move faster.
My estimate is that
EB2-India pending applications with PD older than Dec-2004 no more than 2000.
EB2 India had used 8000-10000 visa in 2009 (5000-7000 in Sept 2009 alone). It will not surprise me if this number is as high as 11-13K.
EB2-India all pending I-485 applications (till July 2007) is around 30000 (as of 1st Oct 2009) * see latter post on how.
Holding following assumptions we will see more forward movement in coming months and whole of 2010 fiscal year.
Slow improvement in economy (fewer new applications from EB2-ROW and EB1)
PERM applications stay stuck (as they are very few approvals in last 12 months)
CIS is force to allocate visa every quarter (leading to large spill-over)
Fewer EB3 to EB2 porting
CIS has prudently processed most old cases (pending for name-checks) and also pre-adjucated most cases filled in 2007-2008. So if they have visa numbers pending we should see big movment in Dec 2009 Visa Bulletin. This movement could cover all EB2-I 2005 cases in next two quarters (by March 2010). How explained below
EB2 gets 10K visa each quarter (28.6% of 140,000 divide by 4)
EB1 gets 10K visa each quarter (28.6% of 140,000 divide by 4)
Assuming 3k spillover from (EB1/EB4/EB5 to EB2) => EB2 will get 13K visa
EB2 ROW uses 7K (700 India, 700 China, +5k others) - there are 6K visa to allocated by Dec 2009 and 12K by March 2010 which will be given to EB2-India.
BEC LCA applicants in 2005 estimate (EB2 India) = 2000 => 4400
EB2-India PERM applicants in 2005 (thanks TempGC) -> 5311 LCA (Around 1300 got approved in aug/sept 2008)= 4000 LCA => 8800 GC
Total pending I-485 in 2005 (EB2 India) ~ 13000
This would mean PD will cross 2005 in next 2 quarters. I have pesimetic estimates so it will not surprise me it the dates move more rapidly.
The analysis is very optimistic and does not account for
Duplicates (multiple I-485 for same person)
Discarded Labor (many people just discard the perm since they switch jobs or did not want to do GC)
Upgrades (people had EB2 perm but got GC in EB1 category)
Cross-chargeability (with spouse of PERM hold birth from non retrogressed country)
Denied I-140/I-485 after PERM approval
If these makeup 10-20% applications then dates should move faster.
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eastindia
07-26 02:18 PM
I have been to just one of their meetings in bay area and found it to be a bit childish and full of fake people, people trying hard to portray themselve to be your best friend when in reality they are not
It is a selfish world and nobody is your true or best friend. Amway or no Amway.
It is a selfish world and nobody is your true or best friend. Amway or no Amway.
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poorslumdog
05-03 01:48 AM
[QUOTE=blueyonder;338511]
Dude you are missing his point. He did not call Tamils terrorists. he called LTTE terrorists and that is TRUE in all senses of the word.
Its not he....Its you...yes, you are the one comng in three different IDs and supporting yourself.:eek:
Dude you are missing his point. He did not call Tamils terrorists. he called LTTE terrorists and that is TRUE in all senses of the word.
Its not he....Its you...yes, you are the one comng in three different IDs and supporting yourself.:eek:
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mpadapa
09-23 10:57 AM
I support this idea.
Let us not deliberate about the details about the proposal. Let us leave it to the lawmakers to broaden the scope of the proposal. The key is to make the lawmakers aware that the EB immigrants can and are willing to provide a helping hand to improve the current housing crisis.
Let us not deliberate about the details about the proposal. Let us leave it to the lawmakers to broaden the scope of the proposal. The key is to make the lawmakers aware that the EB immigrants can and are willing to provide a helping hand to improve the current housing crisis.
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msp1976
05-10 04:47 PM
Other countries donot have large enough economies to absorb as many immigrants as the US does...The US accepts 800K + immigrants every year..
Austrelia accepts 120K+ canada 220k+ Nobody matches the US in sheer numbers and standard of living immigrant can achieve. All the rest is baloney...
Austrelia accepts 120K+ canada 220k+ Nobody matches the US in sheer numbers and standard of living immigrant can achieve. All the rest is baloney...
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lazycis
02-13 08:46 AM
Does any one on this forum happen to know an approximate dollar amount that would cost for if we (IV team) is planning to proceed further with this class action law suite on USCIS?? the reason I am asking for is if we have known dollar amount/target amount in hand it makes it easy for all to start contributing towards this target amount and proceed further with law suite.
I am sure someone on IV team would create a separate bucket for this specific class action law suite task and keep track of amount that's been collected...
Yes, I totally support this class action suite and also willing to support as mush as I can financially....
I think the good start is to consult with Rajiv Khanna. He has an experience in class-actions/federal litigation and will tell whether it is feasible to go this way. It will cost $600 (approximately). To file a class-action complaint will cost around $10k. The rest depends on the lenght of the proceedings, but my estimate is another 20-30k. Peanuts comparing to lobbying :) IV may not want to go this way, as Mark Bartosik once explained, it may hurt its other efforts. If that's the case, potential plaintiffs can work with lawyers directly.
I am sure someone on IV team would create a separate bucket for this specific class action law suite task and keep track of amount that's been collected...
Yes, I totally support this class action suite and also willing to support as mush as I can financially....
I think the good start is to consult with Rajiv Khanna. He has an experience in class-actions/federal litigation and will tell whether it is feasible to go this way. It will cost $600 (approximately). To file a class-action complaint will cost around $10k. The rest depends on the lenght of the proceedings, but my estimate is another 20-30k. Peanuts comparing to lobbying :) IV may not want to go this way, as Mark Bartosik once explained, it may hurt its other efforts. If that's the case, potential plaintiffs can work with lawyers directly.
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andy007
07-03 10:18 PM
Hi Guys,
Can you please post Media Links on this issue .. (CNN, ... etc) Thanks
Can you please post Media Links on this issue .. (CNN, ... etc) Thanks
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vdlrao
07-22 12:01 AM
The Thing is No Matter how much we go logically, but nobodys know which direction USCIS will take.
Not that I am contradicting your logic for calculations, i completely agree with your calculations.
USCIS TRYING ITS BEST, with the available resources, TO KEEP THE EMPLOYMENT BASED CATEGORY IN SHAPE.
BUT THE REASON FOR ALL THIS MESS IS ITS WORKING WITH DECADES OLD IMMIGRATION RULES and WITH a HUGE DEMAND OF EB VISAS FROM A VERY FEW COUNTRIES.
THE MESS IS WITH THE IMMIGRATION RULES, WHICH ARE WRITTEN DECADES BACK (MAY BE AT THAT TIME THE LAW MAKERS MIGHT NOT HAVE ASSUMED THE EB DEMAND WOULD BE FROM A FEW COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA and CHINA), BUT NOT WITH THE USCIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIME is REACHED FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.
Not that I am contradicting your logic for calculations, i completely agree with your calculations.
USCIS TRYING ITS BEST, with the available resources, TO KEEP THE EMPLOYMENT BASED CATEGORY IN SHAPE.
BUT THE REASON FOR ALL THIS MESS IS ITS WORKING WITH DECADES OLD IMMIGRATION RULES and WITH a HUGE DEMAND OF EB VISAS FROM A VERY FEW COUNTRIES.
THE MESS IS WITH THE IMMIGRATION RULES, WHICH ARE WRITTEN DECADES BACK (MAY BE AT THAT TIME THE LAW MAKERS MIGHT NOT HAVE ASSUMED THE EB DEMAND WOULD BE FROM A FEW COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA and CHINA), BUT NOT WITH THE USCIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIME is REACHED FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.
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vinzen
08-18 11:21 PM
This is not "Indian" thread. It is purely a North Indian thread. He is popular only in North of India.
And which part of india are you from?
And which part of india are you from?
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sayantan76
12-17 04:58 PM
Is the new Obama Administration going to consider "Instant GC" if we buy a House ? I'm thinking about the huge inventory of vacant house and how many could be bought up by GC holders... Its probably a fraction - Isn't it ?
At the risk of getting red dots - few critical roadblocks come to mind:
1. The crisis right now is way beyond housing - its about basic issues like employment, consumption and credit (buying vacant houses does not raise employment) - fundamental issues would need to be addressed first before Govt can do something that even remotely looks and smells like (howsoever untrue it might be) giving preference to immigrants over Americans. Also what happens when renters enmasse vacate apartments and buy houses - it drives rental companies into bankruptcy - so catch 22 - no?
2. Credit criteria have been made very stringent by banks and lending institutions - so a lot of people may not qualify.......many people are in risk of losing jobs - they may not want to convert their liquid savings into a 20% illiquid (houses dont sell overnight and you cannot convert your investment to cash easily) downpayment towards houses....so not sure how many will actually want to spend that money now.....what if you get ur GC by buying a house and subsequently lose job and cant find alternative job - house cant feed you and the family nor can it pay mortgages.....
3. Any legislation that goes against principles of natural justice and creates an elite class based on financial criteria is difficult to pass through legislature.....
At the risk of getting red dots - few critical roadblocks come to mind:
1. The crisis right now is way beyond housing - its about basic issues like employment, consumption and credit (buying vacant houses does not raise employment) - fundamental issues would need to be addressed first before Govt can do something that even remotely looks and smells like (howsoever untrue it might be) giving preference to immigrants over Americans. Also what happens when renters enmasse vacate apartments and buy houses - it drives rental companies into bankruptcy - so catch 22 - no?
2. Credit criteria have been made very stringent by banks and lending institutions - so a lot of people may not qualify.......many people are in risk of losing jobs - they may not want to convert their liquid savings into a 20% illiquid (houses dont sell overnight and you cannot convert your investment to cash easily) downpayment towards houses....so not sure how many will actually want to spend that money now.....what if you get ur GC by buying a house and subsequently lose job and cant find alternative job - house cant feed you and the family nor can it pay mortgages.....
3. Any legislation that goes against principles of natural justice and creates an elite class based on financial criteria is difficult to pass through legislature.....
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pappu
01-29 12:22 AM
Thanks to everyone for taking an active role in the funding drive. It is always a frustrating experience every time we want to raise funds. In our overzealousness sometimes we also hurt the effort by being too harsh on people who are not contributing. We do not wish to encourage any finger pointing. Members start asking all kinds of questions on the forum and kill the initiative thereby hurting the organization and ultimately themselves. At this time we are no longer going to ask for funds on the forum and will continue the IV effort with what we have from the contributions members have made. Members who feel they wish to contribute will contribute if they feel for the cause in their heart. Admins have decided to close all such threads so that we can focus on the other IV work rather than solving disputes between members and making sure no anonymous member is hurting other anonymous member�s feelings.
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smuggymba
07-27 08:17 AM
One basic note that Amway/Quixstar guys/preachers/creatures should understand is that "Not every business/job is for every one".
Few individuals can do only certain kinds of jobs. However, I notice that these Amway/Quixtar guys always project that, any dumbo can do this business (if followed rules). And also, they project that this is the only way earn money on this planet. If some one follows their own path (own ambitions), then they think that he/she is an idiot that they not joining them. For God's sake, Amway guys don't bug people. When some one said no means, Its NO. don't put pressure on strangers.
I will tell you my experience/observations with most of the Amway/Quixtar guys that I met.
1. They dream of early retirement, free money, free cruise trip, free vacations etc., where as in reality, they don't even buy good TV for them selves. I know few folks who purchased a 18 inches bathroom tv for $5.00. I am not against second hand a TV for less, but check the reality and see the difference between dreams and reality.
2. Forget about TV, it may not be an essential in life for everyone. I also noticed that they don't even purchase proper food/groceries. May be not are alike. I have see many in my past 15 years of life in US either in Bayarea or in Texas or in PA.
3. There was a Quixtar/Amway Summer conference few of years ago. I have seen 32 adult people stayed in a Single bedroom apartment (around 700 Sq Ft) for two nights. Yes, I literally counted people coming out of the door (right opposite to my apartment). I couldn't believe my eyes/brain initially but its truth.
I am not offending any one intentionally, but know the difference between reality and dreams.
These ppl just hang out at Walamart, Ikea, Malls and DMV and scour for desi ppl who are vulnerable and can be conned. The Amway guy I talked to spoke about retiring at 40 and making millions but was renting at 36 yrs himself and had a dingy old car. (I rent too but I don't plan to retire at 40 and make millions by conning ppl)
Few individuals can do only certain kinds of jobs. However, I notice that these Amway/Quixtar guys always project that, any dumbo can do this business (if followed rules). And also, they project that this is the only way earn money on this planet. If some one follows their own path (own ambitions), then they think that he/she is an idiot that they not joining them. For God's sake, Amway guys don't bug people. When some one said no means, Its NO. don't put pressure on strangers.
I will tell you my experience/observations with most of the Amway/Quixtar guys that I met.
1. They dream of early retirement, free money, free cruise trip, free vacations etc., where as in reality, they don't even buy good TV for them selves. I know few folks who purchased a 18 inches bathroom tv for $5.00. I am not against second hand a TV for less, but check the reality and see the difference between dreams and reality.
2. Forget about TV, it may not be an essential in life for everyone. I also noticed that they don't even purchase proper food/groceries. May be not are alike. I have see many in my past 15 years of life in US either in Bayarea or in Texas or in PA.
3. There was a Quixtar/Amway Summer conference few of years ago. I have seen 32 adult people stayed in a Single bedroom apartment (around 700 Sq Ft) for two nights. Yes, I literally counted people coming out of the door (right opposite to my apartment). I couldn't believe my eyes/brain initially but its truth.
I am not offending any one intentionally, but know the difference between reality and dreams.
These ppl just hang out at Walamart, Ikea, Malls and DMV and scour for desi ppl who are vulnerable and can be conned. The Amway guy I talked to spoke about retiring at 40 and making millions but was renting at 36 yrs himself and had a dingy old car. (I rent too but I don't plan to retire at 40 and make millions by conning ppl)
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smuggymba
07-27 01:08 PM
We guys (non-amway) will be slogging for bread and butter but we like our freedom and travel to Hawaii in economy class and stay at Motel 6.
your response?
gave u green just for this statement.
your response?
gave u green just for this statement.
somegchuh
10-18 03:42 PM
What's your choice? Home Country and Canada. The choice isn't between US and Canada. If you had an option to live in US you wouldn't be talking about canada.
If you compare US to canada you are all set for disappointment. The taxes are higher and jobs are definitely harder to find. Eveything is a little more expensive compared to US. (If you look at books CDN prices are always higher). But on the other hand, houses are way cheaper. What cost 600 K in SF Bay Area costs 350 K in Toronto suburb.
Canada still has a higher standard of living than Europe/Australia. I recently met someone who's been in Canada for 40 years and he told me that the highest tax bracket is 35%. It used to be 45% about 10 years ago.
Anyway, compare with going back home not US.
Say even if you get the canadian PR, you have to pay tax's close to 45%.
Medical is free but unless you are really sick or anticipate being sick, I think its not much of value. And if you are in a decent comp in the US you get almost free care.
Also the job senario is not as good as its in the US. I heard its a lot more harder to get a job in Canada. Yes its true with PR you can work anywhere but how many of us will do that.
In fact one of my friend told me the cost of living is higher there.
I maybe naive and have limited knowledge about Canada, but from the above observations I think one will be disappointed to go to Canada from US.
If you compare US to canada you are all set for disappointment. The taxes are higher and jobs are definitely harder to find. Eveything is a little more expensive compared to US. (If you look at books CDN prices are always higher). But on the other hand, houses are way cheaper. What cost 600 K in SF Bay Area costs 350 K in Toronto suburb.
Canada still has a higher standard of living than Europe/Australia. I recently met someone who's been in Canada for 40 years and he told me that the highest tax bracket is 35%. It used to be 45% about 10 years ago.
Anyway, compare with going back home not US.
Say even if you get the canadian PR, you have to pay tax's close to 45%.
Medical is free but unless you are really sick or anticipate being sick, I think its not much of value. And if you are in a decent comp in the US you get almost free care.
Also the job senario is not as good as its in the US. I heard its a lot more harder to get a job in Canada. Yes its true with PR you can work anywhere but how many of us will do that.
In fact one of my friend told me the cost of living is higher there.
I maybe naive and have limited knowledge about Canada, but from the above observations I think one will be disappointed to go to Canada from US.
hiralal
06-04 09:21 PM
now that we have 13 pages of discussion ..can we agree on something and start small campaigns atleast ???
that way we can generate more interest in IV.
we can do something indirect too ..such as contacting your realtors ..show interest in buying and then back off ..the advantage in this (if large number of people take part and each contact 4-5 realtors) ..then we will have someone else lobbying for us (rather than ourselves beating our own drum)
if someone has better idea then we can go for that too
that way we can generate more interest in IV.
we can do something indirect too ..such as contacting your realtors ..show interest in buying and then back off ..the advantage in this (if large number of people take part and each contact 4-5 realtors) ..then we will have someone else lobbying for us (rather than ourselves beating our own drum)
if someone has better idea then we can go for that too